Whaaat?…Did the ICOC even claim to be saving leprechauns in India?!! Well, listen in to find out!! ☘️ Welcome to the second part of the conversation about the ICOC pyramid and how it was used to control and micromanage every single thought and...

Not only do they bring on experts and courageous guests to share their own cult survival stories, Hoyt & Chele will also be peeling back all the messy layers, to expose the underbelly of how cults use indoctrination to kidnap the mind and hijack the soul.
Some of these stories are not for the faint of heart, but please join us as we reveal the terrifying truths about cultic relationships, how to avoid them, and how to heal from them.
Our hosts, experts and guests will be offering nuggets of wisdom on how to come out on the other side of any abusive relationship, not as a victim, but as a proud survivor with a story to tell.
Hoyt and Chele will be using their voices to debunk the myths about indoctrination and cultic activity—and you’ll probably find yourself saying WhaTheFlok?!
Not only do they bring on experts and courageous guests to share their own cult survival stories, Hoyt & Chele will also be peeling back all the messy layers, to expose the underbelly of how cults use indoctrination to kidnap the mind and hijack the soul. Some of these stories are not for the faint of heart, but please join us as we reveal the terrifying truths about cultic relationships, how to avoid them, and how to heal from them.
Our hosts, experts and guests will be offering nuggets of wisdom on how to come out on the other side of any abusive relationship, not as a victim, but as a proud survivor with a story to tell.
Hoyt and Chele will be using their voices to debunk the myths about indoctrination and cultic activity—and you’ll probably find yourself saying WhaTheFlok?!
Not only do they bring on experts and courageous guests to share their own cult survival stories, Hoyt & Chele will also be peeling back all the messy layers, to expose the underbelly of how cults use indoctrination to kidnap the mind and hijack the soul. Some of these stories are not for the faint of heart, but please join us as we reveal the terrifying truths about cultic relationships, how to avoid them, and how to heal from them.
Our hosts, experts and guests will be offering nuggets of wisdom on how to come out on the other side of any abusive relationship, not as a victim, but as a proud survivor with a story to tell.
Hoyt and Chele will be using their voices to debunk the myths about indoctrination and cultic activity—and you’ll probably find yourself saying WhaTheFlok?!
Join in the convo with @Whatheflok on TikTok!
Nobody thinks that crime or cults or abuse is funny, but our hosts think it’s important for the healing process to pepper in organic comedy— or the material can get a bit dark and twisty. Laughter continues to be one of the best forms of medicine, and Hoyt and Chele have experienced a lot of healing through humor, as it can function as a healthy coping mechanism.
Whaaat?…Did the ICOC even claim to be saving leprechauns in India?!! Well, listen in to find out!! ☘️ Welcome to the second part of the conversation about the ICOC pyramid and how it was used to control and micromanage every single thought and...
In the next several After Hours episodes, Chele and Nixie are focusing on the group they escaped from, the ICOC. Chele felt it was important to take a deep dive into the control & mobilization structure of the cult, which the ICOC called a...
Wow, we are at episode 20 already, so Hoyt and Chele wanted to spend the time to discuss some of their own take-aways from the WTF podcast thus far, as they have interacted with our amazing guests! And this episode’s quote, once again, sums things...
Our quote for Part 2 of of the conversation with the delightful Will Allen perfectly sums up one of the key resources that Will has brought to the table for all of us to partakein— “Rarely, if ever, are any of us healed in isolation. Healing is in...
We think you’re really going to enjoy the treat in store for you with Ep 18—the first part of our two episodes with the incomparable Will Allen—Creator, Producer, Director (“everythinger”) of one of our favorite documentaries about indoctrination...
Welcome to part two of our discussion with the exceptional Ashleigh Freckleton, all the way from Australia! In last week’s episode, Ashleigh sets the stage for what happened with a narcissistic and mentally disturbed “yogi guru,” whose main goal was...
What a treat to introduce you to Part One with the lovely and impressive Ashleigh Freckleton, all the way from beautiful Australia! We instantly fell in love with Ashleigh, and not just because of her bubbly & adorable qualities—But because she...
So happy to share Part Two of our conversation with the unforgettable Tracy Nusbaum.It’s Chele here, personally writing this blurb of Episode 15, as I felt the need to share about how deeply touched I was by our intimate discussion with Tracy. I was...
So excited to introduce Tracy Nusbaum to you in Part One of a two-parter “After Hours” episode. Of course, our “After Hours” episodes are more informal, and usually involve ‘no holds barred’ dialogue AND several glasses of wine! And good Lordy...
Welcome back to Part Two of Matthew Wolpert’s conversation with us about his experience in the ICOC cult. As we learned in part one, Matthew bravely leaked the whistle-blowing letter from inside the London group. After one of Matthew’s best friends...